----- Today May 4th, 2017 -----
christophbergmann [4:00 AM]
Hei, @vlad2vlad are you here?
[4:01]
You said CSW could answer any question I ask through your voice
vlad2vlad [4:01 AM]
Ask away
christophbergmann [4:01 AM]
cool ... I will ask several questions in next half hour
[4:01]
First ... how did it come that you have become the voice of CSW?
vlad2vlad [4:02 AM]
Destiny?
[4:02]
Or you want me to ask him?
[4:04]
I sent him the question. Any other ones.
christophbergmann [4:06 AM]
No, yes, both ... I mean, I guess he did not just call you and said: Vlad, be my voice. Did you search him? How did you win his trust?
vlad2vlad [4:06 AM]
Here's what he said: You are a little mad, as I am and I would not say you are my voice. And more than that, you never treated me like shit. You never required that I prove anything to befriend me. You are always civil.
[4:08]
I was hitting him up on twitter last year and I also sent him some emails but I didn't expect anything to come of it. I tend to try and talk to all the major industry players.
christophbergmann [4:09 AM]
When did you start believe that he is Satoshiß
[4:09]
?
[4:09]
thank you for taking the time, btw
vlad2vlad [4:11 AM]
I personally thought he was Satoshi before it was leaked, when I saw a 2 part video from like 2015 I think. That's what sold me on it. Then when he came out and all that crazy stuff happened it was confusing but I figured there had to be some logical explanation for it all so, unlike most people, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I felt he at least deserved that. Everyone does until there's real proof. Media sound bytes are never proof for me.
christophbergmann [4:12 AM]
Thanks
[4:12]
What did he do 2010-2015?
vlad2vlad [4:20 AM]
2010-2011. I was in a shit place family wise>
I was in a court battle with the Tax office (I won this in 2012)
[4:23]
In 2011 I started a co again. I moved assets in 2011. And I did contract code and security work. I was teaching at CSU until 2014. CSU runs the Police and military training.
[4:24]
From 2010 to 2013 I worked for both gaming co.s and LE. They are both the ones who cared about risk. Not that perfect security is all, but risk.
[4:25]
I had too many things answering gov questions form 2014 on
[4:26]
I had a farm, a ranch really. Middle of nowhere. No people closer than 1KM. I could work with no disturbances. I sold it to fund some of the companies as well as other assets. I loved that place. My work comes first.
[4:27]
Next question, @christophbergmann
christophbergmann [4:28 AM]
why did he leave Bitcoin in 2010?
vlad2vlad [4:38 AM]
I was in battles, one after another to keep what I was working on.
[4:40]
I do not want to have people follow me. I want people to read and think. I want them to question and validate. Not to take my word or for that matter, anybodies. And worse, do not look at something in the past and make that the yardstick.
christophbergmann [4:41 AM]
didn't know this source.
[4:42]
Can you explain what happened? While you continued working on Bitcoin, your company went bankrupt?
vlad2vlad [4:48 AM]
In 2003 I had a fight with a 5% shareholder. My first wife sided with him as she wanted me to be home more. I ended up in an 11 year court battle. Settled part and got the company. I ended up winning. You have the final judgements. are district court, so not on google and people only see what they can easily google.
[4:49]
Here is what you can tell them all..
IF you need to do what I say as I am Satoshi and not because of the idea I am presenting, but the nature of my identity, then you are all lost!
If you cannot think for yourself, then all this was for nothing
[4:49]
If you judge based on an identity alone, on a perceived authority, then you are sheeple and deserve all you get
list of "8 2 9 10 11", which is the list that GNUPG started generating a year (commit e50cac1d848d332c4dbf49d5f705d3cbbf074ba1) after the date on the key.
BS utter BS.
And this was written as I write, not a paid piece, but as I do and I was the author of the Authority paper.
And it was independantly validated.
It is simple and who actually checks?
Gmax says and it is law.
[4:52]
Think. Learn that code is a tool and us humans can use tools, but it is not a panacea and can solve nothing on its own.
[4:57]
There is no form of non-repudiation. This is stated again and again by those with a past in (applied)cryptography. Yet, it is a concept that does not exist.
We live in a world of people. Code is a tool, it is a means to ensure that we can control our destiny if we use it well, but it does not remove the need to check and will never remove the need to think.
christophbergmann [4:57 AM]
Yeah, Greg seems obsessed with calling you a conman ...
vlad2vlad [4:57 AM]
Non-Repudiation can never exist as we live in a world of law. Law is Law. Crypto is a tool that adds weight to evidence, but it is not law.
I can sign and then say my key was stolen. I can pass a key to another. This is a well established principle. In the courts, it is always possible to repudiate.
I learned this the hard way. In my case, I was given a contempt citation as I argued the fact that electronic evidence supported my assertions. I learnt that law is law in 2004 when I argued that evidence of source information can be used against you and can be falsified and that it is not possible to simply show a key as proof.
[4:58]
MiniMax, err, Greg, is a douche. <------ my words. :)
[4:58]
[4:58]
Bitcoin is code. It has all the faults that code has. It does not make the world an anarchist playground and with it we are not free. We are free when we are free. We are free only when we allow our minds to be free.
[4:59]
We are in a tragic world. There are no fair solutions, the world is simply not fair and we can do no more than make it worse by interfering with markets and free choice.
[4:59]
‘a piratis et latronibus capta domimium non mutant’
Look it up. It is a concept of law.
christophbergmann [5:00 AM]
Did you sleep in this time? You had a company, a family and developed Bitcoin.
vlad2vlad [5:01 AM]
Theft of keys is a means to have access to keys, and what does it prove, only that you hold a key. Any transaction can be recovered. If you think this is not the case, deal with those with guns. Tax is forced, but try and avoid the force. Try legally.
[5:01]
I spend millions to win a case worth 1.1 million. Pyrrhic. And what was the use. It changed nothing.
[5:02]
End rant...
vlad2vlad [5:08 AM]
I have a company. I have a family and I am enrolled in a Masters degree right now. When I complete this degree, I will start another PhD.
Back then, I was also going to conferences, this I can no longer do.
I am a full fee student. I do not take money for this. I pay my own way. No scholarships. My choice.
[5:08]
So, why is this such an issue for so many people? I enjoy learning and knowledge.
As others have pointed out - it's arguable that publishing any claim about the identity of SN - puts the target in considerable, potential danger.
Now I can understand that there is a public interest component in knowing SN's identity. And I'd even be willing to accept (but really only for sake of argument) that this public interest overrides SN's own right to privacy and safety.
But to make these accusations when you yourself admit - as the article does - that there is a substantial degree of doubt, is to put at risk the safety and privacy of a person who doesn't deserve it in the least.
This is an absolutely appalling thing to do to anyone. And it should be prima-facie obvious to you as to why.
While I don't condone bullying of any sort - it really is the least of what these authors deserve. I personally don't feel Kanzure is bullying - merely pointing out how appalling this behaviour is, and this absolutely needs to be pointed out."
christophbergmann [5:11 AM]
are you sad that you left Bitcoin in 2010? Was it a mistake?
vlad2vlad [5:15 AM]
As for gaining... I gain nothing by proving I am Satoshi.
My family gains nothing. We go into moving again.
I do not get money and I DO NOT want fame
[5:17]
I did not leave Bitcoin. Gavin was left to manage the code with others. That is not leaving.
christophbergmann [5:18 AM]
How would you call it then?
vlad2vlad [5:23 AM]
I stopped responding to trolls. The base protocol was and is fine.
christophbergmann [5:29 AM]
what is the base protocol?
vlad2vlad [5:31 AM]
With the cap removed it remains ok.
christophbergmann [5:31 AM]
which version?
[5:32]
I'm not so interested in Blocksize things. We had this over and over, it already bored out Bitcoin
vlad2vlad [5:36 AM]
This is the answer to "what is the base protocol"?
[5:36]
The means to have miners controls the network through competition. The exchange of blocks, the format, the original script and protocols.
Prove that is not Satoshi. I do not need to sign anything and I do not need to jump their hoops, it is the code.
GitHub
trottier/original-bitcoin
original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
christophbergmann [5:42 AM]
I wondered how can I know that this is the original codebase.
In which Craig S Wright answers questions on btcchat.slack.com initially through Vlad, then through his own account created at 6:43 AM in logs.
----- Today May 4th, 2017 -----
christophbergmann [4:00 AM]
Hei, @vlad2vlad are you here?
[4:01]
You said CSW could answer any question I ask through your voice
vlad2vlad [4:01 AM]
Ask away
christophbergmann [4:01 AM]
cool ... I will ask several questions in next half hour
[4:01]
First ... how did it come that you have become the voice of CSW?
vlad2vlad [4:02 AM]
Destiny?
[4:02]
Or you want me to ask him?
[4:04]
I sent him the question. Any other ones.
christophbergmann [4:06 AM]
No, yes, both ... I mean, I guess he did not just call you and said: Vlad, be my voice. Did you search him? How did you win his trust?
vlad2vlad [4:06 AM]
Here's what he said: You are a little mad, as I am and I would not say you are my voice. And more than that, you never treated me like shit. You never required that I prove anything to befriend me. You are always civil.
[4:08]
I was hitting him up on twitter last year and I also sent him some emails but I didn't expect anything to come of it. I tend to try and talk to all the major industry players.
christophbergmann [4:09 AM]
When did you start believe that he is Satoshiß
[4:09]
?
[4:09]
thank you for taking the time, btw
vlad2vlad [4:11 AM]
I personally thought he was Satoshi before it was leaked, when I saw a 2 part video from like 2015 I think. That's what sold me on it. Then when he came out and all that crazy stuff happened it was confusing but I figured there had to be some logical explanation for it all so, unlike most people, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I felt he at least deserved that. Everyone does until there's real proof. Media sound bytes are never proof for me.
christophbergmann [4:12 AM]
Thanks
[4:12]
What did he do 2010-2015?
vlad2vlad [4:20 AM]
2010-2011. I was in a shit place family wise>
I was in a court battle with the Tax office (I won this in 2012)
[4:23]
In 2011 I started a co again. I moved assets in 2011. And I did contract code and security work. I was teaching at CSU until 2014. CSU runs the Police and military training.
[4:24]
From 2010 to 2013 I worked for both gaming co.s and LE. They are both the ones who cared about risk. Not that perfect security is all, but risk.
[4:25]
I had too many things answering gov questions form 2014 on
[4:26]
I had a farm, a ranch really. Middle of nowhere. No people closer than 1KM. I could work with no disturbances. I sold it to fund some of the companies as well as other assets. I loved that place. My work comes first.
[4:27]
Next question, @christophbergmann
christophbergmann [4:28 AM]
why did he leave Bitcoin in 2010?
vlad2vlad [4:38 AM]
I was in battles, one after another to keep what I was working on.
[4:39]
https://www.comcourts.gov.au/file/Federal/P/SYG746/2010/actions
[4:40]
I do not want to have people follow me. I want people to read and think. I want them to question and validate. Not to take my word or for that matter, anybodies. And worse, do not look at something in the past and make that the yardstick.
christophbergmann [4:41 AM]
didn't know this source.
[4:42]
Can you explain what happened? While you continued working on Bitcoin, your company went bankrupt?
vlad2vlad [4:48 AM]
In 2003 I had a fight with a 5% shareholder. My first wife sided with him as she wanted me to be home more. I ended up in an 11 year court battle. Settled part and got the company. I ended up winning. You have the final judgements. are district court, so not on google and people only see what they can easily google.
[4:49]
Here is what you can tell them all..
IF you need to do what I say as I am Satoshi and not because of the idea I am presenting, but the nature of my identity, then you are all lost!
If you cannot think for yourself, then all this was for nothing
[4:49]
If you judge based on an identity alone, on a perceived authority, then you are sheeple and deserve all you get
[4:52]
[4:52]
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10702001
list of "8 2 9 10 11", which is the list that GNUPG started generating a year (commit e50cac1d848d332c4dbf49d5f705d3cbbf074ba1) after the date on the key.
BS utter BS.
And this was written as I write, not a paid piece, but as I do and I was the author of the Authority paper.
And it was independantly validated.
It is simple and who actually checks?
Gmax says and it is law.
[4:52]
Think. Learn that code is a tool and us humans can use tools, but it is not a panacea and can solve nothing on its own.
[4:57]
There is no form of non-repudiation. This is stated again and again by those with a past in (applied)cryptography. Yet, it is a concept that does not exist.
We live in a world of people. Code is a tool, it is a means to ensure that we can control our destiny if we use it well, but it does not remove the need to check and will never remove the need to think.
christophbergmann [4:57 AM]
Yeah, Greg seems obsessed with calling you a conman ...
vlad2vlad [4:57 AM]
Non-Repudiation can never exist as we live in a world of law. Law is Law. Crypto is a tool that adds weight to evidence, but it is not law.
I can sign and then say my key was stolen. I can pass a key to another. This is a well established principle. In the courts, it is always possible to repudiate.
I learned this the hard way. In my case, I was given a contempt citation as I argued the fact that electronic evidence supported my assertions. I learnt that law is law in 2004 when I argued that evidence of source information can be used against you and can be falsified and that it is not possible to simply show a key as proof.
[4:58]
MiniMax, err, Greg, is a douche. <------ my words. :)
[4:58]
[4:58]
Bitcoin is code. It has all the faults that code has. It does not make the world an anarchist playground and with it we are not free. We are free when we are free. We are free only when we allow our minds to be free.
[4:59]
We are in a tragic world. There are no fair solutions, the world is simply not fair and we can do no more than make it worse by interfering with markets and free choice.
[4:59]
‘a piratis et latronibus capta domimium non mutant’
Look it up. It is a concept of law.
christophbergmann [5:00 AM]
Did you sleep in this time? You had a company, a family and developed Bitcoin.
vlad2vlad [5:01 AM]
Theft of keys is a means to have access to keys, and what does it prove, only that you hold a key. Any transaction can be recovered. If you think this is not the case, deal with those with guns. Tax is forced, but try and avoid the force. Try legally.
[5:01]
I spend millions to win a case worth 1.1 million. Pyrrhic. And what was the use. It changed nothing.
[5:02]
End rant...
vlad2vlad [5:08 AM]
I have a company. I have a family and I am enrolled in a Masters degree right now. When I complete this degree, I will start another PhD.
Back then, I was also going to conferences, this I can no longer do.
I am a full fee student. I do not take money for this. I pay my own way. No scholarships. My choice.
[5:08]
So, why is this such an issue for so many people? I enjoy learning and knowledge.
[5:10]
[5:10]
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10702001
The following is the sane response:
"grovulent 512 days ago [-]
As others have pointed out - it's arguable that publishing any claim about the identity of SN - puts the target in considerable, potential danger.
Now I can understand that there is a public interest component in knowing SN's identity. And I'd even be willing to accept (but really only for sake of argument) that this public interest overrides SN's own right to privacy and safety.
But to make these accusations when you yourself admit - as the article does - that there is a substantial degree of doubt, is to put at risk the safety and privacy of a person who doesn't deserve it in the least.
This is an absolutely appalling thing to do to anyone. And it should be prima-facie obvious to you as to why.
While I don't condone bullying of any sort - it really is the least of what these authors deserve. I personally don't feel Kanzure is bullying - merely pointing out how appalling this behaviour is, and this absolutely needs to be pointed out."
christophbergmann [5:11 AM]
are you sad that you left Bitcoin in 2010? Was it a mistake?
vlad2vlad [5:15 AM]
As for gaining... I gain nothing by proving I am Satoshi.
My family gains nothing. We go into moving again.
I do not get money and I DO NOT want fame
[5:17]
I did not leave Bitcoin. Gavin was left to manage the code with others. That is not leaving.
christophbergmann [5:18 AM]
How would you call it then?
vlad2vlad [5:23 AM]
I stopped responding to trolls. The base protocol was and is fine.
christophbergmann [5:29 AM]
what is the base protocol?
vlad2vlad [5:31 AM]
With the cap removed it remains ok.
christophbergmann [5:31 AM]
which version?
[5:32]
I'm not so interested in Blocksize things. We had this over and over, it already bored out Bitcoin
vlad2vlad [5:36 AM]
This is the answer to "what is the base protocol"?
[5:36]
The means to have miners controls the network through competition. The exchange of blocks, the format, the original script and protocols.
For example:
https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/main.cpp#L2249
See the comments that they all ignore.
Prove that is not Satoshi. I do not need to sign anything and I do not need to jump their hoops, it is the code.
GitHub
trottier/original-bitcoin
original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
christophbergmann [5:42 AM]
I wondered how can I know that this is the original codebase.
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